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  • 02.03.09

    From MAG NEWS


    Although the Competition Appeals Tribunal ruled against us, the issues raised by our case continue to resonate, particularly given subsequent events and disclosures.

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  • 02.03.09

    By Carolyn Churchill

    Read this article on TheHerald.co.uk

     

    The UK Government is coming under increased pressure to publish a "secret dossier" which is alleged to contain information relating to Lloyds TSB's takeover of Halifax Bank of Scotland.

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  • 02.03.09

    From Editorial Comment

    Read this article on TheHerald.co.uk


    A lack of confidence has undermined the Government's efforts to kickstart the ailing economy and has perhaps manifested itself most corrosively in the failure of the banks to fill the lending void left by the withdrawal of foreign financial institutions.

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  • 01.03.09

    From Daily Express Online

    Read this article on Express.co.uk


    The Treasury has been challenged to explain an alleged secret dossier at the heart of the Lloyds takeover of Halifax Bank of Scotland.

    The call came from Liberal Democrat deputy leader Vince Cable, who has tabled a parliamentary question asking if the dossier still exists, and if its contents can now be revealed.

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  • 28.02.09

    By Tom Peterkin

    Read this article on Scotsman.com


    THE Liberal Democrat deputy leader Vince Cable is demanding the release of a "secret dossier" which the Government used to help push through the controversial Lloyds TSB takeover of HBOS.

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  • 12.12.08

    By Brian Taylor

    Read the article on BBC.co.uk


    Three hundred years of Scottish financial history brought to a stammering close in a Birmingham convention centre.


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  • 12.12.08

    By Jill Treanor

    Read the article on Guardian.co.uk


    HBOS lost a fifth of its value on the stockmarket today, and other bank shares suffered heavy losses, as it revealed it had suffered a dramatic rise in bad debts over recent weeks.


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  • 12.12.08

    From DailyRecord.co.uk

    Read the full article


    HBOS SHAREHOLDERS overwhelmingly approved the bank's controversial takeover by rival Lloyds TSB and an £11.5 billion funding boost from the taxpayer.

    Based on votes cast before the meeting, the moves were supported by an 84% majority of individual shareholders, and 98% by the value of shares voted.


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  • 11.12.08

    From MAG NEWS


    The Merger Action Group said today [Thurs] it felt it had done all it practically could to highlight the widespread public concern over the Government's decision to waive competition law to push through the takeover of HBOS by Lloyds TSB.

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  • 10.12.08

    From MAG NEWS

    The Merger Action Group tonight [Wed] said it was disappointed to lose its legal challenge against the Government’s decision to ignore competition law to push through the Lloyds TSB’s proposed takeover of HBOS.

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What Others Say PDF Print E-mail

It is not just the MAG which has concerns about the effects on competition in the UK.  Many others have raised similar concerns.

The Office of Fair Trading (Para 384, Page 97 - OFT Report of 24 October 2008 concerning the Merger)

"The creation of that merger situation may be expected to result in a substantial lessening of competition (SLC) within a market or markets in the United Kingdom for goods or services, including personal current accounts, banking services to small and medium enterprises, and mortgages, such that further inquiry by the Competition Commission (CC) is warranted."

Monster mash, The Economist, 25/09/08

"Other critics argue that had the authorities advanced the announcement of two decisions - extending the Bank of England's Special Liquidity Scheme designed to underpin the banking system, and suspending short-selling of financial shares - HBOS would not have needed to be rescued. […]

But the liquidity problems of a stand-alone HBOS could have been solved by Bank of England funding, says Alex von Ungern-Sternberg, who runs Euro-IB, an investment-banking boutique, since its mortgage assets, he believes, are of good quality. He wants HBOS shareholders and managers to vote to reject the merger."

Vince Cable, Treasury Spokesman for the Liberal Democrats, 8 November 2008
 
"The Lloyds takeover occurred because, at the height of the banking crisis several weeks ago, HBOS shares faced collapse.
 
The bank would have followed Bradford & Bingley and Northern Rock into public ownership with shareholders losing everything.  Lloyds offered a private sector solution limiting taxpayers' exposure and preserving the strongest part of both groups. The price to be paid was a loss of consumer choice since Lloyds's 1,645 branches and HBOS's 685 branches frequently overlap and many would have to close. A waiver from competition policy was agreed. I was one of those who saw the merger as the least bad of several unpalatable options.
 
The Government's bailout of the banks, or partial nationalisation, has radically changed the position. Lloyds, like RBS-Natwest as well as HBOS, now depends on government capital to survive. We are no longer talking about private sector solutions.  The issue is how to use vast amounts of public money to best effect. It is no longer clear that the Lloyds-HBOS merger is the best solution for the wider public or the banks, savers or borrowers, though it has obvious attractions to Lloyds management which has been able to acquire a competitor cheaply while being underwritten by public money."

Richard Wachman (Deputy Business Editor, The Guardian)

"When it was announced in September, the plan seemed like a neat way for HBOS to be rescued from oblivion. Brokered by prime minister Gordon Brown and his old friend Victor Blank, chairman of Lloyds, the merger would create a huge, new 'superbank' that in ordinary times would be banned under competition rules.

What is more, with HBOS's shares languishing, it was welcomed by the company's shareholders, fearful that if the bank was nationalised like Northern Rock, and later, Bradford & Bingley, they would see their investment wiped out.

But now that UK banks have been rescued by Brown with taxpayers' money, and with all their businesses able to operate with an implicit government guarantee, one wonders why this merger should proceed.

When the deal was unveiled, many of us were prepared to give ministers the benefit of the doubt as the creation of a huge new bank with a large slice of the savings and loans market was viewed as the lesser evil, given that HBOS was on the verge of collapse.

Today the situation is different: the government is ready to nationalise HBOS, making a private sector solution for its problems irrelevant.

So why create a bank that, in ordinary times, would be banned on the grounds that the concentration of too much power with too few banks is against the public interest?"

On 16 October, The Economist stated that "if the government [stood] ready to recapitalise all big banks, many question whether the takeover of troubled mortgage lender HBOS by Lloyds TSB, brokered by Mr Brown in September, need go ahead."

On 6 November, The Economist ("Call it off"), further argued that, six weeks after the announcement of the Merger, the economic circumstances surrounding the deal had changed, as the Government had "slung a £400 billion safety net under all banks". In its view, the proposed Merger should have been referred to the Competition Commission so that the competition concerns could be addressed and in the long run the banking sector would benefit from having more healthy competitors:

"When this crisis is over, the financial system will work better if a healthy number of competitors are still standing. A stand-alone HBOS preserved in the near term could find its own feet then, or be sold to a bidder with which there is less overlap."

The Financial Times editorial also noted on 10 November ("Investors should block HBOS deal") that the proposed takeover, which was conceived in the middle of the financial crisis some eight weeks previously, now looked "hasty, maybe even ill-judged". In its view, the Government's £400 billion rescue package for the banking industry "undermined the logic of a private sector deal that was supposed to avoid another nationalisation" and investors should question whether HBOS would be better off if it remained independent. The FT did recognise that an independent HBOS would probably require more funding than its current allocated share under the £17 billion to be invested in a merged HBOS/Lloyds and this higher government stake might take HBOS into national ownership. However, government ownership would allow a revitalised bank to be spun off later - the OFT came to the same conclusion in its report dated 24 October 2008.

The Scotsman, 26 November 2008 wrote the Treasury has shown an "unusual bias" in favour of the planned takeover of HBOS by Lloyds TSB, a former head of the Office of Fair Trading said yesterday.  Lord Borrie, director-general from 1976 to 1992, asked in the Lords : "Has not the government shown an unusual bias in favour of the merger? Firstly by passing regulations to ensure that financial stability can be an issue which would override the Office of Fair Trading's concern about competition and secondly by saying that the bail-out of the banks should be conditional on this merger going ahead?".

 
Comments (41)
Deliberate destruction
1 Monday, 01 December 2008 15:36
Mary McCabe
This blinkered gallop is politically motivated. GB&AD want to undermine one of the planks of an independent Scotland. Power over the economy is reserved to the UK. GB&AD abuse this power so as to weaken the economy they have a duty to promote.
HBOS leveraged buy-out
2 Monday, 01 December 2008 18:36
Rob.Gill
It is bad enough in the private sector but for a Government to railroad such a move within the public sector and force what is essentially a leveraged buy-out with tax-payers money must be a self-serving political agenda by a duplicitous Government!!
The Scottish Cringe with a vengance
3 Tuesday, 02 December 2008 20:00
James Clark
This is more than about the banks. This is about Gordon Brown's "Britishness" and the very real threat to the union from Alex Salmond's sucessful government in Edinburgh.
NEED MORE PUBLICITY...
4 Tuesday, 02 December 2008 20:23
b00ny
As a staff member i have found this site through my own means. a little more publicity is needed, like an advert in newspapers (full page possibly?) the more support we have, the better chances we have of people listening.
Lord Mandelson
5 Tuesday, 02 December 2008 20:54
John Major
This guy does not a very good track history and now he is bending the rules for god knows who. Send him back to the EU and let him hide there. Let the people of the real world control this issue and keep HBOS as a stand alone company.
All of the previous comments
6 Tuesday, 02 December 2008 21:33
Izzywizz57
All the postings are right! It is politically motivated, it is a fight by London Labour against Scotland and Alex Salmond and manouvered to suit GB & AD!
Dirty Politics
7 Tuesday, 02 December 2008 23:27
Christine Ann Harding
This merger is being pushed by Brown's government in order to weaken Scotland by damaging Edinburgh's financial centrre. How low will they stoop to further their own political ends?
Union's Shame
8 Wednesday, 03 December 2008 10:48
Paddy Daly
The Accord unions backing to the aquisition is an absolute disgrace.Accord has ever asked for members opinions on the single most important decision the union will ever make.
Lord Stevenson & Lord Mandelson
9 Wednesday, 03 December 2008 17:51
Horace Rumpole
Stevenson is a personal friend of Peter Mandelson and has been involved in market
-friendly think tanks such as Demos. Stevenson also has a shareholding in (and put up the money for) the New Labour-connected PR firm Lexington Communications.
Lord Stevenson - More
10 Wednesday, 03 December 2008 17:53
Horace Rumpole
He was supposedly ‘recruited’ by Blair in 96 "after an approach by Peter Mandelson... who Stevenson met years ago when both were involved in youth movements." (Sunday Times 20/10/96) Their connections go back to the British Youth Council.
Stevenson and "The Dome"
11 Wednesday, 03 December 2008 17:56
Horace Rumpole
He joined English Partnerships who bought the Dome site where he worked closely with Mandelson in the lobbying frenzy. Manpower pledged £12m to the Dome (as did BSkyB at one point). Stevenson made a deal between Labour and BT (Independent 27/9/96).
Stevenson - Nu Labour Consultant
12 Wednesday, 03 December 2008 17:58
Horace Rumpole
He founded a consultancy company SRU with Peter Wallis in the 1970s. It later
advised the BBC governors on the future of broadcasting and Gordon Brown on
Labour’s industrial policy. (Independent on Sunday 5/9/93)
Stevenson - Mandelsons "Gateway"
13 Wednesday, 03 December 2008 18:01
Horace Rumpole
He gave Mandelson connections, saying that Blair "always wanted to make Labour into an alternative party of business. TB wanted to meet the others, so I organised evenings where he could meet friends of mine. People running FTSE companies.
Mandelson is an "Old Friend" of Stevenson
14 Wednesday, 03 December 2008 18:05
Horace Rumpole
The BBC described Stevenson as "an old friend of Peter Mandelson, whom he recruited to his management consultancy SRU" in 1990 before he was an MP, although almost nothing is known about the period. (Sunday Business 2/5/99)
Lord Dennis Stevenson - The Government Backscratcher
15 Wednesday, 03 December 2008 18:08
Horace Rumpole
In May 2000, British Prime Minister Tony Blair appointed Stevenson as Chairman of the House of Lords Appointments Commission responsible for vetting all members of
the 'reformed' House of Lords.
Stevenson the Nu Labour Philanthropist
16 Wednesday, 03 December 2008 18:13
Horace Rumpole
Stevenson was appointed by Blair (2000) Having personally funded the ‘Stevenson Commission’, an examination on the role of I.T. in schools, he was appointed as the PM’s adviser on the application of information technology to education.
is Lord Stevenson fit to be HBOS Chairman ?
17 Wednesday, 03 December 2008 18:15
Horace Rumpole
So then The Chairman of HBOS is not as independent as we were all led to believe,
and surely then his motives in pressing for the proposed merger must be questionable to say the least. ...... coming next: Blank & Hornby
Stability Assertion is false
18 Friday, 05 December 2008 05:10
Robert McDowell
There's no basis for presuming merger gives stability benefits - not in the short or long term. No experts or bank customers believe competition will not suffer when the new Lloyds Group has 30-40% market share.
- R.McDowell
New appointments in the merged group.
19 Friday, 05 December 2008 13:31
Diane McWade
Should new board members/senior managers be selected and announced, when the merger has not been approved by the HBOS shareholders and this investigation is being undertaken? Seems a strange way to treat people
Level playing field
20 Friday, 05 December 2008 16:34
Alan Reid
If Alistair Darling really means that there would be a level playing field for alternative bids, he should be publicly offering other institutions the £5.5 billion he is giving LLoyds which is effectively bankrolling this takeover.
Congratulations.
21 Saturday, 06 December 2008 22:29
crawford.scot
Congratulations MAG.
We now have the name 'Bank of Scotland' reported as being retained. Lets wait and see. Or is this normal devious activities?
Anyway best wishes for Monday.
Remember we can all change accounts to a company of our choice.
Lord Mandelsons Vicious Threats
22 Sunday, 07 December 2008 13:34
Horace Rumpole
Lord Mandelson has been accused of bully-boy tactics after it was claimed his lawyers sent a threatening letter to those against the HBOS merger.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7769285.stm
Victor Blank & Andy Hornby
23 Sunday, 07 December 2008 13:46
Horace Rumpole
Blank is a born dealmaker and masterminded the long-awaited break-up of Great Universal Stores, when he and Hornby were together on the Board in 2005.
Victor Blank & Gordon Brown
24 Sunday, 07 December 2008 13:58
Horace Rumpole
The rules which could have blocked the Merger were suspended by Brown during a drinks party held by Citigroup where he and Blank sealed the fate of Scotland's oldest bank. If you aren't at the right parties....(Herald 7th Dec)

http://is.gd/azMU
Victor Blank's Bank of Britain Plan
25 Sunday, 07 December 2008 14:13
Horace Rumpole
"I was with a delegation that went to Israel/Palestine with the Prime Minister. On the plane .. we were talking about .. the banking sector and so on, and I put to him that if there was a need for consolidation"(Guardian 26 Sept)

http://is.gd/azRX
Deal hatched over 2 Years ago
26 Sunday, 07 December 2008 14:31
Horace Rumpole
Blank first toyed with a merger when he became Lloyds chairman. Apparently, it was Hornby who suggested the neat fit between them.(Independent 21 Sept)

http://is.gd/azX1
Dark Secrets
27 Sunday, 07 December 2008 15:07
Nikki Turner
what other dark secrets do they have?
http://www.sundayherald.com/news/heraldnews/display.var.2471816.0.hbos_faces_hard_
questions_overuse_of_troubleshooters_
who_misappropriated_company_money.php
the HBOS Board
28 Sunday, 07 December 2008 17:36
rory alexander
The board of HBOS, who in the final analysis may have destroyed HBOS as an independent Bank, have concluded that shareholders should trust the Board's judgement and vote to reduce their shareholdings by 40%. Why should we trust the Board's judgment?
Halifax - The Institution & The Place
29 Monday, 08 December 2008 09:58
Paul 01
The monumental Halifax Building Society was built through local people's creative diligence & survived 150 years through war and slump. It would be a tragedy if it was swept away in a shotgun marriage of hasty commercial & political expediency.
Embarrassed of London
30 Monday, 08 December 2008 15:56
Christopher Darby
A National Treasure predating our Union forced into an unwarranted Shotgun Marriage with a Thoroughbred?

A Brown Govt hiring Taxis to hand out P45s to Scotland's own workers at Christmas?

I smell a rat with GB's sweaty palm prints all over it.
Good luck guys!
31 Monday, 08 December 2008 17:22
b00ny's evil twin
hey guys, best of luck for today! :)
BBC, Bias or Lethargy
32 Monday, 08 December 2008 19:03
Robert Brown
Shame on BBC, as a national Broadcasting Institution. I have written to every BBC media outlets since MAG formation and they finally mention it with less than 24 hrs before hearing.Within that 24 hrs, voting has gone up 600%.
Merry xmas - not
33 Monday, 08 December 2008 19:18
Bert D
As staff and shareholder I am with MAG. We will not have a xmas in HBOS. Again we are told no parties. and don't go out in HBOS groups! suspect someone thinks we are in danger from investors. We get no support other than "its business as usual"
Accord - ignoring colleague views
34 Monday, 08 December 2008 22:14
Texas Bound Scot
When I contacted Accord to ask why colleagues had not been balloted on the takeover the reply was Accord were supporting the takeover as "colleagues were too emotional to make rational decisions". Everyone is at it here!
HBOS Staff - Under scrutiny
35 Monday, 08 December 2008 22:17
Texas Bound Scot
HBOS staff - Be wary of posting your details here - we are being closely monitored. All web activity from bank pc's is being scanned for anti takeover sentiment
Where are the HBOS staff?
36 Tuesday, 09 December 2008 19:56
ptw
Being watched? By whom, and why? Fear of being punished for having a view contrary to that of the 'new' Board?

And they call this a democracy?

There is something bad happening here...
CAT Website Crash
37 Tuesday, 09 December 2008 22:32
Robert Brown
Competitions Appeals Tribunal website been down all evening since case ended, is this JUDGEMENT DAY or the Mandyvirus.
Just a wee bit of democracy, thanks
38 Wednesday, 10 December 2008 06:07
eddie lange
This Merger Action Group is a warming example of Scotland raising it’s head and it is stimulating
Gordon Brown's Unlawful Decision
39 Wednesday, 10 December 2008 11:48
Robert Brown
Gordon Brown decided to circumvent competition laws.The Press said Victor Blank, CM of Lloyds,admitted meeting Gordon Brown at drinks party at Canary Wharf, before major HBOS share fall. G.B told him he would bypass competition laws for takeover.
Why is this not all over the news!?!?!
40 Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:36
b00ny
you would have thought with such a high profile decision, this would be plastered all over the papers and news... what's happening??? Is this some sort of govenment censorship???
Has anyone....
41 Wednesday, 10 December 2008 16:38
b00ny
any idea when the result will be due?????

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